Name 3 of the dullest, most boring, no there, there A list Hollywood male actors of the 40s, 50's and 60's (2024)

My choice: Dana Andrews, Glenn Ford, and Rock Hudson

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by Anonymousreply 470August 29, 2023 6:55 AM

Alan Ladd

by Anonymousreply 1August 14, 2023 4:58 AM

Jimmy Stewart ruined every single fucking movie he was in.

There is no way Grace Kelly would have given him the time off a wall clock, let alone her undivided attention in Rear Window.

by Anonymousreply 2August 14, 2023 5:04 AM

George Peppard

by Anonymousreply 3August 14, 2023 5:39 AM

Does George Kennedy count? Uninteresting asshole.

by Anonymousreply 4August 14, 2023 6:01 AM

With all due respect, I never saw the appeal of Montgomery Clift. He was never more than okay-looking as far as I could see. And his acting was non-descript. In "A Place in the Sun" was "stand here and be slightly good-looking." But then I thought Winters and Liz were horrible in that as well, so maybe it was just shitty directing.

by Anonymousreply 5August 14, 2023 6:04 AM

Rock Hudson redeems himself entirely with with performance in Seconds. Same with George Peppard to a lesser extent in The Blue Max.

by Anonymousreply 6August 14, 2023 6:11 AM

Clift is really good in the "The Misfits", R5. He's very moving as a little-boy-lost cowpoke who Marilyn's character wants to care for, in a mothering way. His performance is very melancholy but he brings a good amount of quirkiness to the whole thing too.

by Anonymousreply 7August 14, 2023 6:11 AM

His performance in Seconds

by Anonymousreply 8August 14, 2023 6:12 AM

R6, agree that Hudson's performance in Seconds was amazing.

by Anonymousreply 9August 14, 2023 6:12 AM

Marlene Dietrich was crazy about James Stewart. They had an affair while filming Destry Rides Again,

by Anonymousreply 10August 14, 2023 6:14 AM

R7, I am ashamed to admit that I have never seen The Misfits and will do so.

Monroe and Gable were evidently turning in career-making performances as well.

by Anonymousreply 11August 14, 2023 6:17 AM

Leave Rock alooooone. Love him.

I liked Dana Andrews in Laura

by Anonymousreply 12August 14, 2023 6:21 AM

He was a good actor but I always found William Holden kinda dull

by Anonymousreply 13August 14, 2023 6:21 AM

Doris Day.

by Anonymousreply 14August 14, 2023 6:25 AM

Ronald Reagan

Laurence Harvey

Victor Mature

by Anonymousreply 15August 14, 2023 6:30 AM

Yeah, I agree R13, William Holden was dull, except for Network

by Anonymousreply 16August 14, 2023 6:33 AM

I like Fred MacMurray in "The Apartment," but not much else. Part of the reason he's boring is because he seems bored.

by Anonymousreply 17August 14, 2023 6:33 AM

Ronald Reagan was as charismatic as an actor as he was as president.

by Anonymousreply 18August 14, 2023 6:40 AM

Rod Taylor.

by Anonymousreply 19August 14, 2023 6:43 AM

I disagree about Rod Taylor.

by Anonymousreply 20August 14, 2023 7:42 AM

Gary Cooper

Henry Fonda

by Anonymousreply 21August 14, 2023 12:10 PM

R21, I know this is all subjective but holy shit, I couldn't disagree more. Have you seen Once Upon a Time in The West? Fonda is chilling in that one. And Gary Cooper is the hottest Classic Hollywood star by far.

by Anonymousreply 22August 14, 2023 12:13 PM

John Wayne

John Raitt

Matt Damon

by Anonymousreply 23August 14, 2023 12:13 PM

Anyone thinking Glenn Ford is dull is just too stupid to pay attention.

by Anonymousreply 24August 14, 2023 12:16 PM

Dana Andrews was smoking hot , and enjoyed Glenn Ford in Gilda ….

by Anonymousreply 25August 14, 2023 12:55 PM

Van Johnson - a horror to look at and a dead fish of an actor

Danny Kaye - a horror to look act and a milquetoast dead fish of an actor

Jack Lemmon - is it possible to be annoying and boring at the same time? Jack Lemmon makes me say yes.

by Anonymousreply 26August 14, 2023 1:09 PM

r23 I'd like to hear more about Matt Damon's 1940s-1960s film career.

by Anonymousreply 27August 14, 2023 1:11 PM

Glenn Ford was a wonderful leading man and actor, is this a dumbed down Millennial posting? Of course it is.

by Anonymousreply 28August 14, 2023 1:27 PM

I wouldn’t call John Raitt an A list Hollywood star - wasn’t he more Broadway? And Gary Cooper is so cool - he plays the harmonica in several movies and I think the tuba, too. And yes, he was absolutely beautiful. There was definitely there there.

by Anonymousreply 29August 14, 2023 1:32 PM

R13- He was also good LOOKING.

by Anonymousreply 30August 14, 2023 1:34 PM

Gregory Peck

by Anonymousreply 31August 14, 2023 1:42 PM

They’re all of their eras. I think the shorter list is who was interesting. Clark Gable? Women had a much larger range of emotion to play. Men were stoic and often bland.

by Anonymousreply 32August 14, 2023 1:42 PM

John Gavin was terribly good looking, but oh so boring.

by Anonymousreply 33August 14, 2023 1:47 PM

John Hodiak

by Anonymousreply 34August 14, 2023 2:32 PM

Hugh Marlowe

by Anonymousreply 35August 14, 2023 2:39 PM

Dana Andrews was so sexy. He looked like he’d be up for a nasty fuck

by Anonymousreply 36August 14, 2023 2:42 PM

Robert Ryan.

by Anonymousreply 37August 14, 2023 2:45 PM

George Brent, forever looking like a giant zero next to Bette Davis.

by Anonymousreply 38August 14, 2023 2:46 PM

To each his own, R5, but I find Clift far from dull or vacant in Red River, The Search, A Place in the Sun, From Here to Eternity, The Young Lions, Wild River, Judgment at Nuremberg, and The Misfits. Which actors from his era are more your cup of tea?

by Anonymousreply 39August 14, 2023 3:14 PM

R39, I don't care for actors from that period. Bogart, Gable and Grant were okay.

IMO male actors didn't start to get interesting until the 1970s.

by Anonymousreply 40August 14, 2023 7:43 PM

R28, like "dumbed down millennials" know who Glenn Ford is....

by Anonymousreply 41August 14, 2023 7:45 PM

Robert Ryan was not boring at all. See Billy Budd or Crossfire

by Anonymousreply 42August 14, 2023 7:46 PM

Totally agree about John Gavin

by Anonymousreply 43August 14, 2023 7:46 PM

"Dana Andrews was so sexy. He looked like he’d be up for a nasty fuck."

As long as his brains and his dick weren't addled by booze.

by Anonymousreply 44August 14, 2023 7:50 PM

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by Anonymousreply 45August 14, 2023 7:54 PM

Matt Damon is a fat faggot!

by Anonymousreply 46August 14, 2023 7:56 PM

John Wayne

Glen Ford

Jerry Lewis - not funny at all to me

by Anonymousreply 47August 14, 2023 8:04 PM

William Holden was NOT boring!! He was charismatic and vital in 'Picnic', unforgettable and convincing in 'Sunset Boulevard' and was the funniest guest star of them all in Lucy goes to Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 48August 14, 2023 8:06 PM

Disagree about John Hodiak - see Lifeboat. He and Tallulah were perfect foils for each other, brought on by the edginess in each other's characters. Agree about Gregory Peck. Wooden. Disagree about Rod Taylor and totally disagree about Fonda, Cooper, and Clift. Boss actors.

by Anonymousreply 49August 14, 2023 8:14 PM

[quote] Danny Kaye - a horror to look act and a milquetoast dead fish of an actor

Ridiculous. You may not like him but he was no dead fish. Have you seen any of his movies?

by Anonymousreply 50August 14, 2023 8:29 PM

Some of these posters clearly have seen very little of the actors they find so boring. It'd be like judging Spencer Tracy's work based on It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World or Bette Davis' based on WIcked Stepmother.

by Anonymousreply 51August 14, 2023 8:56 PM

I always thought Glenn Ford was dull and boring until I saw Gilda. His chemistry with George Macready was off the charts.

by Anonymousreply 52August 14, 2023 8:58 PM

I've never considered Mickey Rooney as a great A-lister. He was great as Mr. Yunioshi in "Tiffany's" but that's about all I remember him for at the moment.

by Anonymousreply 53August 14, 2023 9:05 PM

Almost as good as my Genghis Khan!

by Anonymousreply 54August 14, 2023 9:09 PM

OP looks like Rider Strong.

by Anonymousreply 55August 14, 2023 9:15 PM

Boring in terms of performances or boring people?

As people, the studios strictly and rigidly controls their public images, so it's somewhat difficult to say for certain whether they were boring or merely pragmatic enough to tow the company line to continue to work.

In terms of performances, John Wayne needs to be added to the list.

by Anonymousreply 56August 14, 2023 9:18 PM

Leslie Howard

by Anonymousreply 57August 14, 2023 9:35 PM

Aldo Ray in Miss Sadie Thompson

John Dall in everything

by Anonymousreply 58August 14, 2023 11:32 PM

No, John Dall was great in Rope and Gun Crazy

by Anonymousreply 59August 14, 2023 11:35 PM

Mickey Rooney is a great actor. Totally underappreciated. His Mr. Yunioshi is hilarious simply hilarious

by Anonymousreply 60August 14, 2023 11:36 PM

All I know is that I fell madly in love with George Peppard in Breakfast At Tiffany's.

by Anonymousreply 61August 14, 2023 11:40 PM

John Dall: Simply embarrassing in Spartacus. You could detect his gayness a mile away and much more suitable for Pull My Daisy

by Anonymousreply 62August 14, 2023 11:41 PM

[quote]Monroe and Gable were evidently turning in career-making performances as well.

Thank you Hedda Parsons. They had well over forty years of experience between them.

by Anonymousreply 63August 14, 2023 11:48 PM

Pull My Daisy......I dare anyone to sit through it

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by Anonymousreply 64August 14, 2023 11:49 PM

[quote]Hugh Marlowe

Now, Liz.

by Anonymousreply 65August 14, 2023 11:53 PM

Mickey out does Jerry.

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by Anonymousreply 66August 14, 2023 11:55 PM

Fred Astaire.

Brian Aherne.

by Anonymousreply 67August 15, 2023 12:01 AM

Claude Rains - I don't even enjoy films he's in.

by Anonymousreply 68August 15, 2023 12:26 AM

Glenn Ford was especially boring when he was no longer cute... Fred MacMurray could be good occasionally, but a real snooze when he hit his professional "father" years for TV and Disney. Kevin Costner is throwback dullard to the above two and other dull male icons.

Creepy and cold division: Robert Taylor (Tyrone Power with out the warmth or charm), George Peppard (soft, humorless version of Paul Newman), and Laurence Harvey who was PERFECTLY cast as the Manchurian candidate (not a compliment!)

by Anonymousreply 69August 15, 2023 12:38 AM

Also, I can see why John Dall never became a star: aside from the fact he was obviously gay, his performances were always theatrical, never toned that either for movies. Tolerable in The Corn is Green, awful in Rope and Gun Crazy. Oh, and pouty, petulant, and posturing Farley Granger in Rope and everything else he ever did... but at least he was nice to look at!

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by Anonymousreply 70August 15, 2023 12:45 AM

The most stupid thread in forever.

by Anonymousreply 71August 15, 2023 12:52 AM

R69, agree about Robert Taylor. He supported the blacklists, too. Asshole.

by Anonymousreply 72August 15, 2023 12:53 AM

OP, please reconsider your verdict on Dana Andrews. His performances always conveyed emotional complexity and an angst that made him human and vulnerable in spite of his good looks. His work in film noir of the 40s and 50s was particularly exceptional. Even in schmaltzy pics like The Best Years of Our Lives, he stood out.

by Anonymousreply 73August 15, 2023 12:59 AM

I think Dana Andrews was one of the first naturalistic actors of leading men. I've watched Laura many times and enjoyed the diverse cast, gorgeous Tierney, and career-making Clifton Webb performance, but I've come to appreciate what Andrews brings to the movie, a brooding realism.

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by Anonymousreply 74August 15, 2023 1:16 AM

[quote] There is no way Grace Kelly would have given him the time off a wall clock, let alone her undivided attention in Rear Window.

I never liked Jimmy Stewart, but he was sexy in Rear Window.

by Anonymousreply 75August 15, 2023 1:17 AM

Jimmy Stewart was never sexy, ever.

by Anonymousreply 76August 15, 2023 1:24 AM

R75 the whole gee-whiz aw-shucks accent killed it for me.

by Anonymousreply 77August 15, 2023 1:25 AM

R50, I'm suspecting I'm much in the minority, but I think Danny Kaye was interesting-looking. He had an exceptional body and was an excellent dancer. Pleasant voice too, when he wasn't doing his Jerry-Lewis-Does Speedballs schtick.

by Anonymousreply 78August 15, 2023 1:30 AM

I can handle Jimmy Stewart even when he's aw-shucks, but if he's playing a more adult version of it. like Anatomy of a Murder. Or here, in Rear Window.

by Anonymousreply 79August 15, 2023 1:30 AM

Jimmy Stewart was not a good person.

by Anonymousreply 80August 15, 2023 1:31 AM

Nelson Eddy

Gene Raymond

Stewart Granger

by Anonymousreply 81August 15, 2023 1:31 AM

[quote]I like Fred MacMurray in "The Apartment," but not much else. Part of the reason he's boring is because he seems bored.

R17 No, no. He redeemed himself in Double Indemnity.

by Anonymousreply 82August 15, 2023 1:31 AM

James Stewart, Alan Ladd, Rock Hudson.

by Anonymousreply 83August 15, 2023 1:35 AM

Richard Baseheart

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by Anonymousreply 84August 15, 2023 1:35 AM

I always liked Richard Basehart. He had a great voice

by Anonymousreply 85August 15, 2023 1:37 AM

I think as I've re-watched films from that period it's interesting to see that male characters tend to be presented as the lens through which the viewer experiences the film - and therefore there are few shifts in how the audience relates to them. Female characters had a range of mercuriality. This is particularly true of Film Noir. To what extent does Stanwick mean it when she tells MacMurray she loves him in Double Indemnity? How much does Lauren Bacall know about the string of killings in The Big Sleep? And even Kim Novak - not my idea of a great actress - had to play two entirely different people in Vertigo.

But even when a woman is the central character - as in Mildred Pierce or Gone With the Wind - there seem to be multiple ways to read that character. Are Peirce and Scarlett admirable, stoic survivors or just persistent monsters?

by Anonymousreply 86August 15, 2023 1:39 AM

R84 Basehart hit his sweet spot in La Strada. Excellent. But after that, yep, you're right.

by Anonymousreply 87August 15, 2023 1:39 AM

Good point, reply 86!

by Anonymousreply 88August 15, 2023 1:41 AM

I agree with many of the choices here.... James Stewart, Gary Cooper, Glenn Ford, Fred MacMurray, Dana Andrews, George Brent.

I will add the ever dull and unappealing Frederic March, and the not unappealing but totally unexciting Dennis Morgan.

by Anonymousreply 89August 15, 2023 1:45 AM

R63, yes, that was carelessly worded and thoughtless of me. I meant to say that when the film is described it seems that Gable and Monroe were playing somewhat against type - or perhaps with a new vulnerability - and that critics, especially with Monroe, saw a new depth in their performances.

by Anonymousreply 90August 15, 2023 1:46 AM

[quote] Jerry Lewis - not funny at all to me

He was good in "King of Comedy." I think that role was close to his real personality. I think he was a horrible person, in real life. I am fascinated by him, actually. He had something like 6 sons with his first wife and became estranged from (and disinherited) every single one of them. He was a huge phony and on pills for several years in a row.

Joan Rivers said that he physically threatened her because she made a joke about him. She was really scared.

by Anonymousreply 91August 15, 2023 1:50 AM

Lewis was an asshole but I wouldn't call him boring

by Anonymousreply 92August 15, 2023 2:04 AM

I so agree with Glenn Ford.

by Anonymousreply 93August 15, 2023 2:24 AM

Troy Donahue. C'mon, you know it's true.

by Anonymousreply 94August 15, 2023 2:50 AM

R94, good answer

by Anonymousreply 95August 15, 2023 2:51 AM

I agree about Glenn Ford, but Dana Andrews was fantastic and underrated. Rock Hudson was always fun to watch and had some untapped talent as well.

Jimmy Stewart was a great actor. Could do anything. Never got the hate some classic film fans have for him. Gene Kelly is someone who's beloved that I cannot fucking stand - beyond smug.

by Anonymousreply 96August 15, 2023 2:52 AM

Gene Kelly was a great dancer but as an actor I never thought he was any better than okay. Same with Astaire

by Anonymousreply 97August 15, 2023 2:54 AM

Glenn Ford absolutely. Jimmy Stewart could bring a lot of darkness to roles (in IAWL and Vertigo.) He was not always playing boring, aw shucks types. George Brent and John Payne (although handsome) always presented as dull.

by Anonymousreply 98August 15, 2023 2:57 AM

Not sure why Stewart would be seen as a bad guy. No personal scandals or children writing he was a shit. Served in WW2. Was a Republican but don’t confused Republicans then with the garbage they are today.

by Anonymousreply 99August 15, 2023 3:03 AM

George Brent - huge drip; only interesting thing about him is that he killed British soldier when he was in the IRA

Robert Taylor - a complete no-talent who got his career thanks to his looks, and then quickly lost them due to his drinking

Gene Kelley - insufferably smug, he worked hard to always show how hard he was working as a dancer - huge contrast with Astaire, who made everything look easy

by Anonymousreply 100August 15, 2023 3:04 AM

Gary Cooper, Henry Fonda, Monty Clift and Frederic March - all fabulous actors, and Cooper was one of the most beautiful men and greatest screen presences in film history when he was in his prime.

I think Clark Gable is remarkably underrated as an actor - much better than he believed himself to be. I've found that in everything I've seen him in (GWTW, his pairings with Joan Crawford and Jean Harlow, The Misfits, Night Nurse, It Happened One Night) he never reads as fake. A lot of the matinee idol types were underrated for their talent stretching back to the silent days, more so than their leading women - men like Gable, Cooper, Tyrone Power, John Gilbert, Errol Flynn, etc. Could never stand Rudolph Valentino though. Oh well, there's another one I don't get.

Fred MacMurray was very handsome when he was young and had a nice acting range as well - love him in anything with my favorite actress ever, Barbara Stanwyck. I think the image of him as an annoying Disney dad has tainted the reality of his actual quality career of the 30s-50s.

A lot of the men being listed were never "A-List stars", just decent looking guys around to prop up the female star - George Brent and Dennis Morgan are good examples of this. Brent was MEANT to be a big zero opposite Hurricane Bette!

Agree with Alan Ladd and Robert Taylor. They do not compute in my brain either - both such big stars for so long!

by Anonymousreply 101August 15, 2023 3:06 AM

R101 - I totally agree about Frederic March… an absolutely outstanding actor.

If he had only appeared in “Design for Living,” “The Best Years of our Lives,” and “Middle of the Night” (which incidentally features Kim Novak’s only good film performance), it would be enough to make him one of the all time greats.

But, of course, his filmography is much much richer. (Can you tell I like him?)

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by Anonymousreply 102August 15, 2023 3:15 AM

Tor Johnson

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by Anonymousreply 103August 15, 2023 3:18 AM

Tor was a genius! He made Olivier look like an overrated piece of shit

by Anonymousreply 104August 15, 2023 3:23 AM

TIME FOR GO TO BED

by Anonymousreply 105August 15, 2023 3:27 AM

Tor Johnson, ohhhhh

/fans self

He reminds me so much of mah favorite president.

by Anonymousreply 106August 15, 2023 3:39 AM

Dana Andrews in Laura, Beyond a Reasonable Doubt, The Best Years of Our Lives and Glenn Ford in Gilda and Human Desire negate the dull and bland theories. Two of my favorite actors and sexy as all hell in their prime to my eyes. To each his own I guess.

by Anonymousreply 107August 15, 2023 3:50 AM

Dana Andrews because wtf kind of man’s name is DANA?

by Anonymousreply 108August 15, 2023 3:53 AM

John Gavin could GET IT

by Anonymousreply 109August 15, 2023 4:02 AM

He was mostly '30s, but I nominate Warren William.

by Anonymousreply 110August 15, 2023 4:04 AM

Dana Andrews real first name was Carver, so Dana was actually an improvement.

I really love a lot of the actors mentioned in this thread. Dana, George Peppard, Fredric March, Dennis Morgan, even Robert Taylor and George Brent. I don’t like Fred MacMurray or Glenn Ford though.

by Anonymousreply 111August 15, 2023 7:42 AM

Warren William???? You must be mad, boy!

by Anonymousreply 112August 15, 2023 7:44 AM

R108 There's a line in Woody Allen's Radio Days about whether Dana is a male or female name. I always thought the same.

by Anonymousreply 113August 15, 2023 8:09 AM

Clark Gable, James Stewart, Frederick March

by Anonymousreply 114August 15, 2023 8:21 AM

OP, great topic. I's like to see a thread about B list (40s, 50s, 60s) actors who should have been A list. Any interest in starting?

by Anonymousreply 115August 15, 2023 8:26 AM

Yeah Glenn Ford. As father, scoundrel, DA, he wasn’t really effective as anything he played. I liked The Courtship of Eddie’s Father for everyone else but not him. He seemed a Hugh Beaumont type.

by Anonymousreply 116August 15, 2023 8:37 AM

Dana Andrews’s younger brother was Steve Forrest who won the Razzie for his performance as hunky Uncle Gregg in ‘Mommie Dearest’. Their father was a Baptist minister, and there were 13 kids in the family. Good gene pool on the looks.

My contribution to the list is Van Heflin. He’s more of a character actor, but having an Oscar makes him A list default I suppose. I watched him recently in the film noir ‘The Prowler’ from 1951 and wasn’t impressed.

by Anonymousreply 117August 15, 2023 9:26 AM

Reply 100, totally agree: George Brent was block of wood, Robert Taylor was a zombie, and Gene Kelly was smug and mugged... hey, I rhymed!

by Anonymousreply 118August 15, 2023 11:23 AM

R91- Dean Martin hated his guts for years. I don't know if that changed before Dean died, but he really loathed Jerry Lewis.

by Anonymousreply 119August 15, 2023 11:37 AM

Jerry Lewis and Milton Berle both make my skin crawl, never understood their huge popularity... and I'm not referring to Berle's big dick!

by Anonymousreply 120August 15, 2023 11:46 AM

R120- Add Bob Hope to that list. Revolting man.

by Anonymousreply 121August 15, 2023 12:03 PM

John Gavin, Troy Donahue, and teen jesus Jeffrey Hunter.

by Anonymousreply 122August 15, 2023 12:04 PM

George Brent. His bland onscreen style played well against actresses like Bette and Barbara. Next to lesser actresses, his shortcomings were quite apparent.

Same with Wendell Corey. He almost ruined my favorite western THE FURIES with Barbara Stanwyck. Van Heflin or Robert Ryan would have been more suitable in his role as Rip Darrow. John Boles…I mean what was the point of him?

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by Anonymousreply 123August 15, 2023 12:19 PM

Reply 121, as a '70s kid, me and my siblings found Bob Hope painfully unfunny. And in later years, thought his off-screen life was kinda gross.

by Anonymousreply 124August 15, 2023 12:26 PM

Bob Hope was a first class asshat.

by Anonymousreply 125August 15, 2023 12:35 PM

Those Hope/Crosby and Martin/Lewis "classics" have aged like milk. Bland and insipid as their stars back then, unstomachable now.

by Anonymousreply 126August 15, 2023 12:48 PM

Disagree with : Bill Holden, Jack Lemmon, Clark Gable...all incredibly charming, super charismatic actors imo

Agree with: Glenn Ford and Monty Clift (he had talent but always played the same type...mixed up and vaguely depressed, I dont get why he was supposed to be Brando's competition)

by Anonymousreply 127August 15, 2023 1:15 PM

Not true of Clift in Red River, The Search, The Heiress, The Big Lift, From Here to Eternity, or Raintree County.

by Anonymousreply 128August 15, 2023 1:20 PM

Brent is great in Jezebel. Hudson was wonderful as a light romantic comedian. Andrews appeared in a number of terrific films(gorgeous in The Westerner) and is always moving and handsome. Alcoholism ruined his career.

The number one worst actor for me from classic Hollywood is Robert Young . Unwatchable in a movie but fine in a TV show. Worst male child actor is Terry Kilburn who practically ruins the wonderful Goodbye Mr Chips. He keeps showing up as his own son as the years pass. He is still alive. I wonder why he was never interviewed for TCM. One of the very last golden age actors left.

by Anonymousreply 129August 15, 2023 1:24 PM

I confess I only saw FHTE and Raintree Country, so who knows, you might be right, but those 2 he played slightly more upbeat but I still found him pretty blah. To each their own.

by Anonymousreply 130August 15, 2023 1:27 PM

* Also saw Place in the Sun.

by Anonymousreply 131August 15, 2023 1:28 PM

[quote]Jimmy Stewart ruined every single fucking movie he was in.

You're insane, R2. Please take your meds. Stewart had loads of personality and was very likable.

by Anonymousreply 132August 15, 2023 1:35 PM

I can't be surprised at all this disdain for Glenn Ford as it's been said on DL a lot over the years....but I've never understood it. I think in his 1940s films he was extremely hot, a genuinely feverish sexuality but with a certain something that seemed very modern for that decade. And in his 1950s/60s films he showed a great flair for comedy, as seen in The Gazebo, Teahouse of the August Moon and Pocketful of Miracles.

And Fred MacMurray? He had incredible range seen through 4 decades of remarkable performances. It's no surprise he was a favorite leading man to women like Barbara Stanwyck and Claudette Colbert.

Now, Robert Taylor - before the1930s were even over he had hit a wall and never recovered. Never got him at all, except as a bland pretty boy in his early MGM films like Camille.

by Anonymousreply 133August 15, 2023 1:36 PM

Robert Taylor's furrowed eyebrows made it looked like he suffered from a chronic migraine.

by Anonymousreply 134August 15, 2023 2:11 PM

R133- I agree and feel the same about Tyrone Power. He was convincing in Witness for the Prosecution only at the end when he was revealed to be a murderer.

by Anonymousreply 135August 15, 2023 2:14 PM

I nominate Robert Cummings, Bing Crosby and Henry Fonda.

by Anonymousreply 136August 15, 2023 2:31 PM

Tyrone Power was pushed into things that were far below his ability because of how profitable the shallow and charming roles were for him . Nightmare Alley is one of the films that show what he could really do as an actor and he had to fight tooth and nail to get it made. Likewise, Errol Flynn gave his best performances at the end of his career when he could no longer be the handsome swashbuckling hero.

by Anonymousreply 137August 15, 2023 2:35 PM

Errol Flynn never thought he was much of an actor and only known for his beauty. Director Vincent Sherman said he had a great talent for looking like he belonged in period clothes as opposed to just looking like he was wearing a movie costume. But Flynn didn't think that was worth anything.

by Anonymousreply 138August 15, 2023 2:38 PM

I thought Tyrone Power was far better than Robert Taylor, which isn't saying much. Closer to Rock Hudson, warm and charming, with a narrow but good range, when cast properly. And Robert Cummings... he was like a non-pianist version of Liberace!

by Anonymousreply 139August 15, 2023 2:38 PM

R139- Robert Cummings was just awful, a deal breaker, really. If he was in a movie it was just about unwatchable for me.

by Anonymousreply 140August 15, 2023 2:40 PM

R102 He gave the best ever interpretation of Dr. Jekyll / Mr. Hyde! I also love him in Nothing Sacred, I Married a Witch, and Merrily We Go To Hell alongside all the movies you mentioned. And of course the original A Star is Born - he was the best Norman Maine. Equally at home in comedy and drama. I wish he ended up doing the film version of Long Day's Journey Into Night.

Robert Cummings is godawful. I watched Saboteur the other day and realized why it was an underseen Hitchcock - he starred in it!

by Anonymousreply 141August 15, 2023 2:43 PM

Checkout the Loretta Young movie The Accused where Cummings is her love interest. Poor Loretta plays a mousy schoolteacher but deserves better than him.

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by Anonymousreply 142August 15, 2023 2:47 PM

Wasn't Glenn Ford the one who fucked every one of his costars?

by Anonymousreply 143August 15, 2023 2:48 PM

Van Johnson was another actor that I found just unwatchable.

by Anonymousreply 144August 15, 2023 2:49 PM

R15 for the winning trifecta!

Others:

Charlton Heston

Pat Boone

John Wayne

by Anonymousreply 145August 15, 2023 2:49 PM

Tyrone Power was actually very charismatic and sexy in The Black Swam with Maureen O'Hara, but I havent seen him in anything else.

by Anonymousreply 146August 15, 2023 2:52 PM

But Heston has Planet of the Apes. and Pat Boone is sexy shirtless in Journey to the Center of the Earth.

by Anonymousreply 147August 15, 2023 2:52 PM

R143- I am surprised about Barbara Stanwyck

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by Anonymousreply 148August 15, 2023 2:53 PM

Reply 140-- Robert Cummings over-made up face and amateurish acting nearly ruins "Kings Row." And phony Ronald Reagan's supposedly "best" performance ain't all that. Thank God for Ann Sheridan, whose natural performing, plus the story, make this worth watching...

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by Anonymousreply 149August 15, 2023 2:53 PM

I remember a very long gossip thread about Glenn Ford on here. It was pretty interesting but Glenn Ford bores me to such tears I couldn't get through it. A lot about his affairs with Rita Hayworth and Judy Garland - who wanted him to marry her!

by Anonymousreply 150August 15, 2023 2:55 PM

Also there was a funny tidbit about Orson Welles trying to shoot him (?) after he figured out about his affair with Rita. Frankly, I wish he had. Orson was a much better actor and I'd have rather fucked him any day.

by Anonymousreply 151August 15, 2023 2:57 PM

Van Johnson tended to overdo it but he has good comic chemistry with June Allyson. Maybe because she knew him when they were both in Broadway shows when young and knew what a phony he was as a leading man.

by Anonymousreply 152August 15, 2023 3:00 PM

Van chokes up over Mickey Rooney's acting.

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by Anonymousreply 153August 15, 2023 3:06 PM

Terry Kilburn is gay and while he is annoying as a child actor, he's cute and fun to watch in his uniform in Fiend Without a Face made in 1958.

He always seems to be waiting for co-star Marshall Thompson to put the make on him.

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by Anonymousreply 154August 15, 2023 3:09 PM

Johnson has good chemistry with Garland in In the Good Old Summertime. Maybe the last film she made for MGM where she didn't drive everyone crazy. But then it wasn't an Arthur Freed production.

by Anonymousreply 155August 15, 2023 3:34 PM

Glenn Ford is so cute in Gilda driving Rita crazy. 'I hate you Johnny. I hate you so much I could die from it.'

by Anonymousreply 156August 15, 2023 3:37 PM

I thought Terry Kilburn was adorable

by Anonymousreply 157August 15, 2023 5:52 PM

Robert Cummings is a great choice for this thread. So dull

by Anonymousreply 158August 15, 2023 7:35 PM

Don't flame me but Bob Cummings was wonderful in his TV series Love That Bob. He was a far better comic actor than dramatic, with a great sense of timing and self-deprecatory wit. When the material was good, which it often was for this mostly forgotten sitcom created by Paul Henning, who also created The Beverly Hillbillies and wrote a lot of the Burns & Allen scripts, Bob shined. And I thought he was quite sexy in it, too, with his 1950s SoCal style.

by Anonymousreply 159August 15, 2023 8:40 PM

The idea that Grace Kelly prefers Cummings to Ray Milland in Dial M for Murder is absurd.

by Anonymousreply 160August 15, 2023 8:45 PM

Ray Milland is underrated these days. Sexy as hell and very good in all the Mitchell Leisen comedies he was in - Easy Living is my favorite.

by Anonymousreply 161August 15, 2023 9:10 PM

Lionel Barrymore. None of his brother's talent or sexiness.

by Anonymousreply 162August 15, 2023 9:18 PM

R160, In RL, Grace didn't. 😉

by Anonymousreply 163August 15, 2023 9:21 PM

Surprised the John Payne troll hasn’t weighed in on here yet. Is that queen dead now?

by Anonymousreply 164August 15, 2023 9:39 PM

I think John Payne should get a pass here because he so rarely, if ever, carried an A film and thus was never thrust upon the public. There was never really a "Stop trying to make John Payne happen!" phase.

He usually either supported Alice Faye or Betty Grable handsomely in Fox musicals and comedies or starred in B westerns. And also because he had one of the hottest bodies of Golden Age Hollywood (that has to be a plus). And he seemed to be a real sweetheart.

by Anonymousreply 165August 15, 2023 10:11 PM

Three of the biggest male box office stars of that era were also the blandest: John Wayne, Bing Crosby and Bob Hope.

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by Anonymousreply 166August 15, 2023 10:14 PM

[quote]I think John Payne should get a pass here because he so rarely, if ever, carried an A film and thus was never thrust upon the public

John Payne could have thrust upon me any time he wanted.

by Anonymousreply 167August 15, 2023 10:23 PM

Bing Crosby had a great voice but I thought he was bland as an actor

by Anonymousreply 168August 15, 2023 10:25 PM

The blandest stars are often the biggest!

by Anonymousreply 169August 15, 2023 10:32 PM

I don't see how anyone can call Wayne, Hope or Crosby bland.

I never particularly liked what they did onscreen but each of them created an iconic and unique leading man character which carried each of them through at least 4 decades of starring roles. Again, you may not like those created personas but they were hardly bland. George Brent and Robert Cummings were bland.

by Anonymousreply 170August 15, 2023 10:38 PM

Okay, R170, substitute "one note" for "bland" with some rare exceptions like Crosby in The Country Girl, or utter failures like Wayne in The Conqueror.

by Anonymousreply 171August 15, 2023 10:49 PM

Hope was so corny. All the mugging and playing to the cheap seats was annoying af.

by Anonymousreply 172August 15, 2023 11:12 PM

Wendell Corey for the win.

by Anonymousreply 173August 15, 2023 11:21 PM

Dennis Morgan. Dennis O'Keefe.

Wait, they're two different people?

by Anonymousreply 174August 15, 2023 11:24 PM

Nelson Eddy, anyone? George Murphy?

by Anonymousreply 175August 15, 2023 11:28 PM

Anyone who mentioned George Brent never saw him, cast against type, in The Rains Came. He blew Tyrone Power off the screen. Same for Crosby in Little Boy Lost. He's amazing.

by Anonymousreply 176August 15, 2023 11:29 PM

I saw George Murphy in some movie with Linda Darnell called Rise and Shine. He was so boring in it

by Anonymousreply 177August 15, 2023 11:35 PM

I think George Brent was ok. He had a beefy build and could play gentle gentlemen. And he made Bette Davis seem feminine.

by Anonymousreply 178August 16, 2023 12:14 AM

Most of these men were A-list stars because the crowds loved them and their personalities. They wouldn't have been able to continue making films if they were dull or boring. I think it would have to be actors who only made a few films and had their careers die out who could be in contention here. Sonny Tufts is one that people always bring up as being completely wooden. But I even like him, just because he was a big, blond, cornfed stud.

by Anonymousreply 179August 16, 2023 12:27 AM

I thought Robert Taylor was family, or have I got that wrong?

by Anonymousreply 180August 16, 2023 1:03 AM

Wendel Cory and Walter Brennan were major right wing extremist, kooky as hell without their combs. John Birchites to the 10th power

by Anonymousreply 181August 16, 2023 1:12 AM

John Wayne was right along there with them.

by Anonymousreply 182August 16, 2023 1:36 AM

R107 Ford was stiff as a board in Gilda BUT it worked for the character...similar to Rock Hudson in Giant imo.

by Anonymousreply 183August 16, 2023 2:22 AM

[quote]He blew Tyrone Power off the screen.

Pics, please.

by Anonymousreply 184August 16, 2023 3:15 AM

What about Franchot Tone? I have always found him beyond bland.

by Anonymousreply 185August 16, 2023 5:08 AM

Have you seen Phantom Lady? He is cast against type in that.

by Anonymousreply 186August 16, 2023 5:25 AM

Phantom Lady trailer

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by Anonymousreply 187August 16, 2023 5:27 AM

R176 yes George Brent is really good in The Rains Came, thanks for mentioning it!

by Anonymousreply 188August 16, 2023 7:12 AM

I much prefer Franchot Tone in villainous roles than as the hero that MGM tried to push.

by Anonymousreply 189August 16, 2023 7:13 AM

I had no idea Glenn Ford was such a stud. He really sprayed it around.

by Anonymousreply 190August 16, 2023 7:41 AM

Tone is damn handsome in Mutiny on the Bounty. The wreck he turned into in the '60s is shocking.

by Anonymousreply 191August 16, 2023 7:49 AM

I find Tone is always upstaged by women. Not in Mutiny the. Lol

by Anonymousreply 192August 16, 2023 8:23 AM

they were boring but hung like bulls, a requirement to get roles. glenn was zzzzz but oh so hung.

by Anonymousreply 193August 16, 2023 9:14 AM

Troy Donahue. I always think of him and Tab Hunter as a pair of idols in the same era. When I saw Donahue in something for the first time I thought he was just basic looking and bland on screen. Tab Hunter was at least very handsome, so he had that going for him.

by Anonymousreply 194August 16, 2023 10:34 AM

At this point maybe it would be easier to list A list Hollywood male actors of the golden age who were NOT dull and boring. I'll start:

Edward Everett Horton

Jimmy Durante

Clifton Webb

Sidney Greenstreet

Monty Woolley

You bitches happy now?

by Anonymousreply 195August 16, 2023 11:21 AM

EEH A list? Hardly.

by Anonymousreply 196August 16, 2023 11:48 AM

Thoughts on Robert Montgomery? With Clark Gable, though a very different type, he was MGM's biggest male star of the early 30s. Like Dick Powell over at Warner Brothers, Montgomery began his career as a fresh-faced male ingenue but evolved into a more complex character actor by the 1940s.

And what about Dick Powell?

by Anonymousreply 197August 16, 2023 1:10 PM

Bob Montgomery was dreamy and had a very long neck

by Anonymousreply 198August 16, 2023 2:29 PM

Bill Bixby never made it to A list, but he tried. Just too bland (although I always thought he was adorable).

by Anonymousreply 199August 16, 2023 2:33 PM

The early 1960s were filled with bland young actors trying to become A listers but were all thwarted by the arrival of Dustin Hoffman, Al Pacino, Robert de Niro and even Elliott fucking Gould.

by Anonymousreply 200August 16, 2023 2:35 PM

Lee Phillips, best known as Dr. Rossi opposite Lana Turner in PEYTON PLACE. IIRC, it was posted here that he eventually switched to directing television shows. He was handsome but had no real heat as a leading man.

by Anonymousreply 201August 16, 2023 3:25 PM

Did Lee Phillips even mak it to the C list?

by Anonymousreply 202August 16, 2023 3:28 PM

Lee Phillips had a voice like Mickey Mouse.

by Anonymousreply 203August 16, 2023 3:43 PM

If anyone was bland it was Gould.

by Anonymousreply 204August 16, 2023 3:52 PM

I like Gould in certain roles (mainly with Robert Altman) but he needs a very strong hand to be good. Compare him to his MASH co-star Donald Sutherland - uniformly excellent in everything.

by Anonymousreply 205August 16, 2023 3:55 PM

As Ford got old he spent all his money on pretty young women. And he was a lousy father who could do nothing but chase skirts. All this according to his son who nevertheless took care of him in his old age. Yet he got his own back with the book on his father.

by Anonymousreply 206August 16, 2023 3:56 PM

R197- Robert Montgomery was brilliant in Night Must Fall as the happy-go-lucky young Irish man who may or may not be a murderous psychopath. He was so charming yet a bit menacing at the same time and his behavior became more sinister and disturbed as the movie went on. He was boyishly handsome and charming.

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by Anonymousreply 207August 16, 2023 4:15 PM

Also, I just finished watching Laura with the stunning Gene Tierney for the first time without interruption. What a talented group of actors! The underrated, imo, Vincent Price, who had the most kissable looking lips when he was young. He was both charming and sleazy as the beautiful young kept man of an older, rich woman. How Clifton Webb managed to actually be convincing as an older man in love with a woman is testament alone to his great acting ability. It is an excellent who-done-it murder mystery and I love how they made use of shadows and light in this black and white film noir. Dana Andrews was perfect in this role as the detective who falls in love with his " murdered victim." Love it.

by Anonymousreply 208August 16, 2023 4:32 PM

John Davidson. Not A list, but another who tried.

by Anonymousreply 209August 16, 2023 4:37 PM

John Davidson should have stuck to Broadway where his dimples were appreciated.

by Anonymousreply 210August 16, 2023 4:44 PM

Vincent Price is usually a lot of fun to watch. He had a great voice and seemed to be enjoying himself, good script or bad...

by Anonymousreply 211August 16, 2023 4:50 PM

Vincent particularly seemed to be enjoying himself in that scene in The 10 Commandments in which he's whipping a chained and shirtless John Derek.

by Anonymousreply 212August 16, 2023 4:57 PM

Vincent Price was always a great guest on the late shows. He was such a warm, gentle man with a wickedly funny sense of humor. He is one that I really miss.

by Anonymousreply 213August 16, 2023 5:01 PM

Glenn Ford is surprisingly effective in “Trial” (currently showing as part of Katy Jurado Day on TCM), laying good guy in contrast to Arthur Kennedy’s Oscar-nominated crypto-commie lawyer. But in general, I found him lacking in personality—maybe that’s why he works okay in Gilda and A Stolen Life, partnered with larger than life female stars. He’s unconvincing as Dave the Dude in Pocketful of Miracles, a role that would have been better served with a more Rat Pack type.

by Anonymousreply 214August 16, 2023 6:00 PM

I recently watched Price and Jane Russell in The Las Vegas Story. Such deck and Price is such a big 'mo but he is a decent actor for those characters with something up their sleeve.

by Anonymousreply 215August 16, 2023 6:36 PM

Next Wednesday (8/23, one week from today) is Vincent Price Day on TCM.

6:00 am The Long Night (1947)

8:00 am The Las Vegas Story (1952)

9:45 am His Kind of Woman (1951)

12:00 pm The Baron of Arizona (1950)

2:00 pm Twice Told Tales (1963)

4:15 pm Diary of a Madman (1963)

6:15 pm The Last Man on Earth (1964)

8:00 pm House of Wax (1953)

9:45 pm House on Haunted Hill (1958)

11:15 pm The Pit and the Pendulum (1961)

12:45 am The Masque of the Red Death (1964)

2:30 am The Tingler (1959)

4:15 am The Bat (1959)

by Anonymousreply 216August 16, 2023 6:38 PM

I have had a phobia of house flies ever since seeing Vincent Price in The Fly as a child. I really tried to avoid all his movies after that, sad to say.

by Anonymousreply 217August 16, 2023 6:49 PM

Ford was pretty awful in Fate is the Hunter, although that movie sparked my lifetime obsession with air disasters. I rewatched it this morning on YouTube and he's all sudden yelling explosions and wild gesticulations, mixed with odd staring and brooding. It's an odd flick, where the supposedly hard-boiled existentialist meets the Chinese girlfriend of his dead pilot friend who convinces him fate and the supernatural were responsible for the accident. Then, inexplicably, he decides to recreate the accident and learns it was all explainable by natural causes. Kind of like Scooby Doo.

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by Anonymousreply 218August 16, 2023 7:47 PM

I agree that Robert Montgomery in the 1930s MGM gloss was a bit dull but he was better when he had some bite eg with Bette Davis in June Bride. She apparently hated working with him.

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by Anonymousreply 219August 16, 2023 8:53 PM

Robert Montgomery is one of the very best actors Hollywood had to offer during the classic era - in addition to “Night Must Fall,” he is wonderful with Joan Crawford and William Powell in “The Last of Mrs. Cheney.”

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by Anonymousreply 220August 16, 2023 9:15 PM

[quote]“The Last of Mrs. Cheney.”

I beg your pardon! I'm still here.

The movie is about Mrs. CHEYNEY.

by Anonymousreply 221August 16, 2023 9:30 PM

R220- He wasn't very well liked by other actors. He was respected, but they said he was a snob who thought he was better than the others because his father was rich and Robert had an elite upbringing and education. Then when he was in his early 20s his father lost all of their money which is why RM went into acting. I have read that he was a staunch Republican all of his life , which clashed with his daughter, Elizabeth's, beliefs. They were estranged most of her life, but idk if the relationship ever improved.

by Anonymousreply 222August 16, 2023 9:52 PM

I think Bette Davis said she hated him because in their scenes he would do something different in his closeup than what he had done when it was her closeup which was shot first so they didn't match.

by Anonymousreply 223August 16, 2023 10:05 PM

1948 was a low point in Bette's career, when she was seeing Warners' best women's roles go to you-know-who..

by Anonymousreply 224August 16, 2023 10:46 PM

Though by the next year they both hit high camp with Beyond the Forest and Flamingo Road. Bette was right to leave Warners, who did Joan no favors either in the junk they put her in until she left too, just a few years after Bette.

by Anonymousreply 225August 16, 2023 10:56 PM

Robert Montgomery wasn't a Republican all his life, he supported Democrats before 1940. His father committed suicide by jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge.

by Anonymousreply 226August 16, 2023 11:20 PM

R226- Thanks, I didn't know that about his father. How sad.

by Anonymousreply 227August 16, 2023 11:23 PM

Montgomery was also hardcore right wing politically, which might have clashed against Bette’s New England liberal sensibilities. He even coached Dwight Eisenhower on how to give speeches and how to work the camera on television when debating. How did he manage to raise a very liberal Elizabeth is nothing short of incredible.

by Anonymousreply 228August 17, 2023 12:27 AM

Oy You rang

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by Anonymousreply 229August 17, 2023 2:02 AM

I worked with Elliott in the late 1990s and found him utterly adorable. I just loved him, a real mensch.

by Anonymousreply 230August 17, 2023 3:29 AM

R230 = Christina Pickles

by Anonymousreply 231August 17, 2023 8:44 PM

Christina Pickles' "longtime companion" was Stan Zbornak, so consider the source.

by Anonymousreply 232August 17, 2023 9:48 PM

Brian Keith=ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.....but not his father

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by Anonymousreply 233August 18, 2023 1:10 AM

Brian Keith literally acted like he was always waking up from a nap!

by Anonymousreply 234August 18, 2023 1:12 AM

Barry Sullivan.

by Anonymousreply 235August 18, 2023 3:03 AM

Richard Kiley and Barry Sullivan go hand in hand

by Anonymousreply 236August 18, 2023 5:55 AM

Carey Mulligan....fucking boring and very humorless. Sexy?? Never gave me a boner

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by Anonymousreply 237August 18, 2023 6:09 AM

I dunno. These OCD binary-based judgemental listicles are so middlebrow. I like Glenn Ford. And Rock Hudson was a terrific movie star with charisma and a gift for light fare.

by Anonymousreply 238August 18, 2023 6:13 AM

I'll second Lennie. Never juiced my pussy............ Now Liz Mongomery on the other hand......puffed my pussy lips, big time

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by Anonymousreply 239August 18, 2023 6:14 AM

Don't get me started on Liz...I'll never be able to cum down

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by Anonymousreply 240August 18, 2023 6:16 AM

George Brent

George Raft

George Hamilton

by Anonymousreply 241August 18, 2023 8:16 AM

R228, Their relationship was up and down. years without even speaking to each other, especially when she married Gig Young.

by Anonymousreply 242August 18, 2023 8:19 AM

[quote]I am ashamed to admit that I have never seen The Misfits and will do so. Monroe and Gable were evidently turning in career-making performances as well.

Their careers had already been made at that point. What each gave in "The Misfits" were career-ending performances. It was the final movie for both.

by Anonymousreply 243August 18, 2023 9:00 AM

Surprisingly Montgomery and Shearer are delightful in Private Lives.

by Anonymousreply 244August 18, 2023 9:15 AM

Cliff Robertson.

Though, with good reason, Glenn Ford is pretty much forgotten but his career was huge. It's just hard to believe. I'll add George fucking Clooney to this list.

by Anonymousreply 245August 18, 2023 5:51 PM

Glen Powell is the Glenn Ford of the 21st c.

The package is handsome bordering on attractive but no matter how many times someone tries to light a spark, the fire just never quite stays lit.

by Anonymousreply 246August 18, 2023 5:53 PM

I like Barry Sullivan in villain roles but he barely registers for me in nice guy roles

by Anonymousreply 247August 18, 2023 6:02 PM

Barry Nelson

by Anonymousreply 248August 18, 2023 6:03 PM

Not really A list, especially since he's dead now, but John Ritter. I hated him in everything he ever did.

by Anonymousreply 249August 18, 2023 6:43 PM

r246 Glen Powell will never have 1/10 the career that Glenn Ford had.

by Anonymousreply 250August 18, 2023 10:46 PM

Did someone forget this is a list of MALE actors?

by Anonymousreply 251August 19, 2023 12:19 AM

John Ritter was funny in a small role in Bad Santa.

by Anonymousreply 252August 19, 2023 12:26 AM

R242 Gig was drinking hard by the time he married Liz. Plus he was twenty years older than she was. I can see why her parents would disapprove. Just not to the extent that they didn’t speak to one another for years!

by Anonymousreply 253August 19, 2023 12:27 AM

Robert Taylor was great in Johnny Eager(1942) along with Van Heflin. They were even able to suggest some undercurrents of homoerotica in their friendship!

by Anonymousreply 254August 19, 2023 12:35 AM

Robert Mitchum.

by Anonymousreply 255August 19, 2023 2:00 AM

R255 he is the only actor to play the 2 of the greatest villains in film history, but yeah, sure, he's boring....

by Anonymousreply 256August 19, 2023 2:22 AM

Mitchum had a very long career, and was boring throughout most of it, those two roles aside.

by Anonymousreply 257August 19, 2023 2:25 AM

Guy Madison and Rory Calhoun!

by Anonymousreply 258August 19, 2023 2:28 AM

Congrats to Cary Grant, who is the only actor not to be mentioned in this thread! Though we're only at 259 responses.

by Anonymousreply 259August 19, 2023 2:30 AM

Ralph Bellamy

by Anonymousreply 260August 19, 2023 2:30 AM

I can't stand Ralph Bellamy.

by Anonymousreply 261August 19, 2023 3:35 AM

Oscar winner Don Ameche.

by Anonymousreply 262August 19, 2023 3:56 AM

Don Ameche was a mush better actor than people give him credit for. Did he play Alexander Graham Bell

by Anonymousreply 263August 19, 2023 4:47 AM

Yes and he invented the telephone aka the Ameche

by Anonymousreply 264August 19, 2023 7:08 AM

Bob Montgomery was right to disapprove of Gig. I doubt he wanted his daughter to get murdered.

by Anonymousreply 265August 19, 2023 7:10 AM

Dick Powell, Charles Boyer, Randolph Scott.

by Anonymousreply 266August 19, 2023 12:29 PM

Besides The Night of the Hunter and Cape Fear, Mitchum is far from boring in Out of the Past, The Story of GI Joe, His Kind of Woman, The Lusty Men, Angel Face, Track of the Cat, Heaven Knows Mister Allison, The Sundowners, Home From the Hill, Two for the Seesaw, Ryan's Daughter, The Friends of Eddie Coyle, The Yakuza and Dead Man. The films vary in quality (many are underseen gems, IMO) but he is magnificent in all of them. Him and (the wonderful) Deborah Kerr were a great screen pairing, lots of natural chemistry and they were good friends into their old age.

He is my all time favorite Old Hollywood actor. His whole "I don't care" thing was an act. He was an intelligent (self educated) man who cared deeply about his work. There was some very interesting gossip on an old thread about him openly hitting on male crew members during his time on the War and Remembrance miniseries.

by Anonymousreply 267August 19, 2023 1:20 PM

Very relieved no one has mentioned me! Was it the giggling?

by Anonymousreply 268August 19, 2023 2:47 PM

Mitchum had quite the checkered childhood. I wonder how true the rumors are that he turned tricks and dealt drugs when he arrived in LA as a teen.

You forgot Holiday Affair, R267. Mitchum was great in that.

by Anonymousreply 269August 19, 2023 2:48 PM

Here's the link.

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by Anonymousreply 270August 19, 2023 2:49 PM

Mitchum even elevated dreck like THE RIVER OF NO RETURN opposite Marilyn Monroe. He was one of the very few (only?) of her male co-stars who were age appropriate and equal to her hotness.

And WHITE WITCH DOCTOR opposite Susan Hayward (she was the white witch doctor), not him).

by Anonymousreply 271August 19, 2023 3:37 PM

You know the old joke about Mitchum, right? What does Bob look for in a script? Days off.

by Anonymousreply 272August 19, 2023 4:20 PM

R271 Agree about Mitchum/Monroe, one of the very few co stars of Monroe I ever saw had actual sexual chemistry with. Marilyn may have been a sex bomb on her own but she rarely generated heat with her male co stars.

by Anonymousreply 273August 19, 2023 4:46 PM

[ R271/273 ] Agree that Mitchum and Monroe had great chemistry in THE RIVER OF NO RETURN. and then there is the impossibly handsome Rory Calhoun who shares the screen with them and defines "dullest, most boring, no there, there" actor. However, I'm not certain that he was ever A list. He sure was pretty though.

by Anonymousreply 274August 19, 2023 4:52 PM

Rory Calhoun was sexy and fucked a lot. He talked about fucking Guy Madison.

by Anonymousreply 275August 19, 2023 5:12 PM

I wouldn't care how dull or boring Rory Calhoun was in a movie - I just love looking at him.

by Anonymousreply 276August 19, 2023 5:17 PM

Rory and Guy became very popular names for American baby boys in the 1950s so I guess the public was generally unaware....

by Anonymousreply 277August 19, 2023 7:11 PM

When Lita Baron divorced Rory Calhoun in 1970, she named Betty Grable as one of 79 women with whom he had adulterous relationships.

by Anonymousreply 278August 19, 2023 7:16 PM

Betty and Rory were both contract players at Fox through much of the Late 1940s/1950s so it's no surprise that two hot tamales like them would have hooked up at some point.

by Anonymousreply 279August 19, 2023 7:21 PM

R268, no one has mentioned you because you weren't boring. You were great in Pickup on South Street and didn't giggle even once, as I recall.

by Anonymousreply 280August 19, 2023 10:13 PM

R267- I couldn't agree more, he is my favorite as well. This was a very good book that I read about him.

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by Anonymousreply 281August 19, 2023 11:22 PM

The sexual heat between Monroe and Ewell in Seven Year Itch burns up the screen.

by Anonymousreply 282August 19, 2023 11:43 PM

Ewell is so dorky looking. With costars like him and Tony Curtis, Queen of the screen it's no wonder Marilyn lacked chemistry with them. I did find her relationship with Gable very well done in the Misfits. And her husband in Niagara was quite brawny and there was a scene or two of smoldering there (even tho she killed him).

by Anonymousreply 283August 19, 2023 11:50 PM

Brian's Song with James Caan and Billy Dee Williams just came on. I have never watched this movie. It is going to make me cry, isn't it?

by Anonymousreply 284August 20, 2023 12:05 AM

Yes, Monroe (past her early starlet years) never shared the screen with performers that matched her in star power until The Misfits - Larry Olivier was past his prime as a leading man so no one mention him - except for Mitchum. I think a lot of this was intentional on her part (I am not really a fan) because she didn’t want to be potentially upstaged.

by Anonymousreply 285August 20, 2023 12:15 AM

And Gable was older than Larry. Why did he have the magnetism but not Larry even if was playing a character role. Well maybe it's because Larry became so fed up with her unprofessionalism, it showed in icy stare and glares in their scenes together

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by Anonymousreply 286August 20, 2023 12:23 AM

Gable might have been older but he was very much still semi-successfully playing the types of leading man roles that made him famous - he somehow remade Red Dust PLAYING THE SAME ROLE twenty years later and had it be a commercial/critical success. Gary Cooper was also in this boat with his Western successes. Olivier’s literary romantic heroes were past him.

by Anonymousreply 287August 20, 2023 12:37 AM

R286- I believe that was a factor, he was said to be beyond exasperated with her and I can't blame him. But I also believe he may have been a bit afraid of being upstaged by her because of his age.

by Anonymousreply 288August 20, 2023 12:37 AM

Hmmmm, Olivier had that "magnetism" with deliciously wooden John Gavin in SPARTACUS.

by Anonymousreply 289August 20, 2023 1:24 AM

Some would say that Monroe had great chemistry with Yves Montand in LET'S MAKE LOVE.

by Anonymousreply 290August 20, 2023 2:46 AM

Monroe and Dean Martin certainly had the potential for amazing chemistry. It's really a shame we never got to see much of it. Isn't most of the surviving footage from SOMETHING'S GOTTA GIVE of Monroe with everyone but Dean?

by Anonymousreply 291August 20, 2023 2:48 AM

IMO Red Dust was much better and a hell of a lot sexier than Mogambo. Maybe it was all the gorgonzola...

by Anonymousreply 292August 20, 2023 3:43 AM

Not exactly dull, but I have never understood the supposed sex appeal of John Garfield in the original The Postman Always Rings Twice. He just seems like a pouty little punk. Not hot at all.

by Anonymousreply 293August 20, 2023 4:07 AM

James Coburn Charlton Heston Van Johnson

by Anonymousreply 294August 20, 2023 4:30 AM

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by Anonymousreply 295August 20, 2023 4:31 AM

R293 - Yes Dane Clark was the same type. Both copies of Cagney. I guess Warners thought women went for them as bad boys. I just found them obnoxious.

by Anonymousreply 296August 20, 2023 4:41 AM

R294 feel the same way about Burt Lancaster...liked him as an actor but he was supposed to be a major sex symbol (so much so that when Tennessee Williams was recomending Brando for Streetcar he stated one of the reasons was he had "at least as much sex appeal as Burt Lancaster") but I never found him physically appealing...always reminded me of a slightly handsomer JFK ....anyway Tenn certainly did since he cast him in The Rose Tatoo.

by Anonymousreply 297August 20, 2023 4:44 AM

After the accident, no paid attention to Monty. His Frankenstein face was permanently frozen giving him a vacant, dead look. But Huston helped him with The Misfits, and Monty kinda of came back with a lively, energetic, youthful performance. His movements were fluid, not stiff. And for those who have put Monty on this list, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. See Judgment at Nuremberg, and especially Freud. Here was an actor living the part, not acting it, like Larry with Marilyn.

by Anonymousreply 298August 20, 2023 7:28 AM

R293 try watching him in Four Daughters and you will understand

by Anonymousreply 299August 20, 2023 7:59 AM

I thought James Coburn was anything but bland. But he was more effective in supporting roles than leads.

by Anonymousreply 300August 20, 2023 12:53 PM

Joel McCrea had a hunky boy-next-door quality that was never dull or boring.

by Anonymousreply 301August 20, 2023 12:55 PM

I am so glad to read all of these posts about Monroe and Mitchum in RIVER OF NO RETURN.

Fox kept pairing her with such dolts and idiots - Ewell, Donald O'Conner (great dancer but a sexual zero), David Wayne, and Tommy Noonan......I agree that Richard Allan as her boyfriend in NIAGARA was hot....

But she and Mitchum burned up the screen......sad that they didn't get to do another movie. And of course director Otto Preminger framed the cowboys in the audience during one of Monroe's numbers so it looked like one cowboy was eating her out. Can't find a picture, but watch the movie.

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by Anonymousreply 302August 20, 2023 1:50 PM

I'm the poster who brought up RIVER OF NO RETURN, glad to see some other fans. While I remember loving the film on TV as a kid, when I watch it now, all I can see is that outrageously bad fall of fake hair on MM and those very artificial background shots of the river. But nevertheless, Mitchum and MM are still dynamite together. How foolish of Fox that they never paired them together again.

by Anonymousreply 303August 20, 2023 2:31 PM

I would also easily put Joel McCrea in my category of matinee idols that were quite underrated talents. He was an excellent comedic straight man, never showboating and always generous to his fellow actors. Perfect in his films from Preston Sturges, and always great fun in those pre-code films with Constance Bennett and The Old Dark House. Proved himself a capable dramatic actor in his Westerns - Stars in my Crown is one of the best of the genre despite it being relatively underseen. Lucky Frances Dee got to enjoy him for decades. Was also apparently a very nice, easygoing guy.

by Anonymousreply 304August 20, 2023 3:35 PM

Buster Crabbe

by Anonymousreply 305August 20, 2023 3:37 PM

John Garfield and Burt Lancaster were both sexy as hell, you prisspots. They had more of the rough, working class look - both were from New York poverty and led tough lives growing up and it showed in their faces and their manners of acting.

My very heterosexual father had something of an infatuation with Burt Lancaster - would always talk about how well built he was whenever I brought up classic actors. His mother was very into Montgomery Clift.

by Anonymousreply 306August 20, 2023 3:38 PM

R304 his suggested bare ass in The Palm Springs Story is a most excellent scene. I also loved him in Foreign Correspondent and Come And Get It.

And of course his son Joel Dee.....aka Jody.....was a sad gay boy. He played Deadhead/Bonehead in the Beach Party movies and looked just like his sexy dad!

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by Anonymousreply 307August 20, 2023 3:40 PM

I was talking about Joel McCrea of course....

by Anonymousreply 308August 20, 2023 3:41 PM

Another great Clift post-accident performance is in Wild River.

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by Anonymousreply 309August 20, 2023 3:47 PM

Joel McCrea's looks and acting style have aged well from today's standpoint...

by Anonymousreply 310August 20, 2023 4:00 PM

Not all the actors named were A list. if we could cheat and do B+ list, I never got Stephen McNally (aka Horace McNally). He just seems like he's filling space.

I don't agree about William Holden. Sunset Boulevard, Stalag 17, The Key...he totally held my attention and not just his looks. Gregory Peck could be very dull when he was older. Younger, as in Duel In The Sun and The Macomber Affair and Spellbound, not at all. Though not the greatest actor who ever lived. Montgomery Clift was riveting. And an intelligent actor.

by Anonymousreply 311August 20, 2023 4:32 PM

Re Dana Andrews: I'm 43 but only recently discovered him.

I first became smitten with him in BALL OF FIRE, which caused me to search more of his films, including LAURA and THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES, which further cemented my love for him.

Needless to say, I do not agree that he was a dull actor.

That said, the LA Times gave him probably the worst headline after he died: "Dana Andrews Dies; Actor Was a Success But Not a Star."

Why even mention that in his obituary headline?

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by Anonymousreply 312August 20, 2023 4:59 PM

I would definitely give Gregory Peck at least an honorable mention. He's pretty wooden. Usually though he was wise in choosing roles that worked well with that.

by Anonymousreply 313August 20, 2023 5:01 PM

Dana Andrews was a star. The LA Times was ridiculous. He didn't remain a star but he definitely starred in films in the 40s.

The attraction to him guys have is a little baffling to me, though. I just don't think he's that hot. I like him a lot, but not particularly physically.

by Anonymousreply 314August 20, 2023 5:08 PM

R310 That's a very astute observation.

by Anonymousreply 315August 20, 2023 6:39 PM

Joel McCrea’s son Jody was gay? Never heard that before…

by Anonymousreply 316August 20, 2023 6:48 PM

Cornell Wilde. He had a career as big, or even bigger, as Glenn Ford. The he wasn't nearly as dull as Ford. His dullness was perfect though for Leave Her to Heaven. Made Gene's psychopath character seem even crazier. If you haven't seen Leave Her to Heaven it should be at the top of your list to see. I think it was the first time a female lead really got to be apologetically nasty and crazy. Yet you still kind of liked her.

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by Anonymousreply 317August 20, 2023 7:19 PM

R317 hard to believe little Danny is 92 years old!

by Anonymousreply 318August 20, 2023 7:53 PM

You're not making much progress Danny.

by Anonymousreply 319August 20, 2023 9:26 PM

R300, agree. James Coburn was hot, practically oozing testosterone. If you like men, that's never boring. He was not a strong leading man, though, maybe because he got sidetracked into those spy spoofs. (I haven’t seen his “Flint” movies since I was a kid. I wonder how well they hold up, even as snapshots of the mid-‘60s era. I love films that are windows into their own times.)

by Anonymousreply 320August 20, 2023 9:34 PM

Close the thread

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by Anonymousreply 321August 20, 2023 9:40 PM

How can it have taken 321 posts for Troy to come up?? You bitches are really slipping.

by Anonymousreply 322August 20, 2023 10:49 PM

r320, I always thought James Coburn had a pansexual satyr-like quality that made you think he'd do it with anyone he fancied. Really a turn on for this teen gayling.

by Anonymousreply 323August 20, 2023 10:51 PM

Troy was mentioned way upthread at least a couple of times.

by Anonymousreply 324August 20, 2023 10:53 PM

R317 - also checkout Cornel in Road House. He is the nice guy in contrast with the crazy Richard Widmark.

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by Anonymousreply 325August 20, 2023 11:02 PM

I may be generalizing here, so forgive me, but I think those post-WWII years really opened the doors for neurotic character actor types like Richard Widmark to become leading men. At yet, at the same time, those years also began a popular trend for beefcake stars like Guy Madison and Lex Barker, who didn't have much to offer beyond their hunky looks.

by Anonymousreply 326August 20, 2023 11:23 PM

My favorite era of leading men is 20s-40s. Too much talentless beef in the 50s.

by Anonymousreply 327August 20, 2023 11:39 PM

John Bromfield. Looked great in bathing trunks though…

by Anonymousreply 328August 21, 2023 1:25 AM

If Troy Donahue can be a movie star, then I can be a movie star.

by Anonymousreply 329August 21, 2023 1:36 AM

[quote]those years also began a popular trend for beefcake stars like Guy Madison and Lex Barker, who didn't have much to offer beyond their hunky looks.

With Guy Madison, his looks were enough. He wasn't competing with Laurence Olivier for roles.

by Anonymousreply 330August 21, 2023 1:42 AM

R326 is on to something. WW2 really really changed things and made everything pre-1941 seem innocent and quaint. Agreed: rise of the neurotic out of control emotional actors who were given leading man status......look at Clift, Brando, Dean....yet there was this other side, the non-neurotic he-man, chisel face beefcake types: Burt, Kirk, Victor Mature, Rock, Richard Egan, Mitchem, Duke, etc. who weren't limp wrist prissy sensitive faggots. Those actors represented the force and might of the USA, which exported through out the world, signaled we got your back.

by Anonymousreply 331August 21, 2023 1:43 AM

Guy Madison was simply the best-looking leading man of all time. And aged well.

by Anonymousreply 332August 21, 2023 1:45 AM

Warren, would you rate him even above James Franciscus?

by Anonymousreply 333August 21, 2023 1:47 AM

Oh definitely Are you fucking kidding me. And why did you pick James Franciscus over Richard?.

by Anonymousreply 334August 21, 2023 1:51 AM

As devastating good looking Guy Madison was, Monty topped him (can't remember if Monty was a top or bottom), but more obvious: Monty was a great actor. One of the Titans whose influence is still with us today, whereas Guy.....totally forgotten save for some young gayling finding photos, and whacking off to him

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by Anonymousreply 335August 21, 2023 2:20 AM

I suppose some people might think Wayne Morris was dull, but I like the thick-set blond's looks.

by Anonymousreply 336August 21, 2023 2:28 AM

Wayne Morris? Don't Bogart me

by Anonymousreply 337August 21, 2023 2:31 AM

Correction from Tyrone: "As devastatingly good-looking as Guy Madison was"

by Anonymousreply 338August 21, 2023 2:33 AM

After 338 replies why has no one picked my pick, the absolute most boring, unappealing, sexless, expressionless, no there, there, name above the title Hollywood actor with zero acting ability? He wasn't a client of Harry Willson, so no cocksucking there. Who else could it be that found this no talent worthy of a first job? Any guesses? Anyway here he is:

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by Anonymousreply 339August 21, 2023 4:59 AM

Glenn Ford was eventually much bigger than Cornel Wilde. His career had a resurgence from the mid-1950s to the mid-1960s. He made movies for MGM (mostly) and was a top box office star, in hits like Blackboard Jungle, Trial, Ransom! Jubal, The Fastest Gun Alive, Teahouse of the August Moon, The Sheepman, The Courtship Of Eddie's Father, Imitation General, It Started With A Kiss,The Gazebo, Advance To The Rear, Dear Heart, Fate Is The Hunter, Experiment in Terror, etc.

by Anonymousreply 340August 21, 2023 5:07 AM

R339 - No dice.

by Anonymousreply 341August 21, 2023 5:18 AM

I can't decide if Brando's worst performance was in Teahouse of the August Moon, Desiree, or The Apalloosa. God, dreadful, all

by Anonymousreply 342August 21, 2023 5:20 AM

It's Desiree hands down

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by Anonymousreply 343August 21, 2023 5:23 AM

IMO there's definitely something there with Glenn Ford.

by Anonymousreply 344August 21, 2023 6:32 AM

yeah R339, I second the nomination. He was a fucking prick, especially to Sergio

by Anonymousreply 345August 21, 2023 6:56 AM

I hope if you haven't seen Leave her to Heaven you didn't watch that scene that fucking asshole put up. One of the most shocking scenes and especially coming from the era it did. And yet it made Tierney an even bigger star! It's a very sick film and was an enormous success. People to this day love it. And deservedly so.

by Anonymousreply 346August 21, 2023 7:29 AM

It’s a crime that Joel McCrea gave up on sexy/romantic roles after The More the Merrier, just as he was hitting his stride in terms of acting. Westerns never really made any use of his sexiness.

by Anonymousreply 347August 21, 2023 8:22 AM

Come on, Danny. You don't want to give up when you've come so far!

by Anonymousreply 348August 21, 2023 9:32 PM

It was said that some women were going to see Leave Her to Heaven up to 10 times. They saw Ellen as a liberating figure. She really was a true psychopath and I'm absolutely shocked the movie made it through the studio and on to the screen. People really had to fight for that one. I'm sure the book being a huge seller helped. Sorry to have derailed the thread. .

OOOOOO someone has put all of Leave Her to Heaven up on YouTube

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by Anonymousreply 349August 21, 2023 11:25 PM

What the fuck??? It's taken 349 replies before this schlimazel is listed??? Shows you how much this jadrool is utterly forgotten. The schmucks a stiff

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by Anonymousreply 350August 21, 2023 11:48 PM

There is nothing dull or boring in the photo at r350.

by Anonymousreply 351August 22, 2023 12:35 AM

Speaking of Jeffs ... how about Jeffrey Hunter, whose performance in "King of Kings" was derided as "I Was a Teenage Jesus."

by Anonymousreply 352August 22, 2023 12:42 AM

Ingmar was slated to be the director of the greatest story ever told, but bugged out when they said it was going to be shot in Hawaii....but yeah, Jeffrey Hunter is a stiff.

by Anonymousreply 353August 22, 2023 12:51 AM

Speaking of Jeffrey Hunter, what about Robert Wagner?

If you've never seen A KISS BEFORE DYING, you may be overwhelmed by Wagner's luscious youthful beauty in this film. That is, until halfway through when Jeffrey Hunter shows up.

by Anonymousreply 354August 22, 2023 1:27 AM

Jeff Chandler had a strikingly handsome face with great coloring; his olive skin and salt & pepper hair were a camera’s delight. But his booty was non-existent.

by Anonymousreply 355August 22, 2023 1:50 AM

R354 - I'm too distracted by Joanne Woodward's poodle cut.

by Anonymousreply 356August 22, 2023 2:04 AM

You are easily distracted, r356.

by Anonymousreply 357August 22, 2023 2:20 AM

R350 Jeff Chandler could have played 'Race Bannon' in a live-action version of the animated series JONNY QUEST.

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by Anonymousreply 358August 22, 2023 2:41 AM

Coburn was great in the fantastic Paddy Chayefsky film “The Americanization of Emily.”

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by Anonymousreply 359August 22, 2023 2:43 AM

Let's try that again.

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by Anonymousreply 360August 22, 2023 2:44 AM

I'm losing him, Ruth. I'll die if I lose him

by Anonymousreply 361August 22, 2023 2:46 AM

Glenn was a Canadian. Is it any wonder he was so fucking boring?

by Anonymousreply 362August 22, 2023 2:53 AM

Jeffrey Hunter was a really good actor,not a stiff. Maybe you haven’t seen him in enough movies. Try The Frogmen, The Searchers, Sailor Of The King and No Man Is An Island.

by Anonymousreply 363August 22, 2023 3:06 AM

Was Jeffrey Hunter just too good-looking for late 60s Hollywood?

by Anonymousreply 364August 22, 2023 3:08 AM

He died in the late ‘60s.

by Anonymousreply 365August 22, 2023 3:14 AM

Even Jessie Brewer RN couldn't save him. His first, crazy wife ruined Jeffery's career.

by Anonymousreply 366August 22, 2023 3:57 AM

[quote]Jeff Chandler had a strikingly handsome face with great coloring; his olive skin and salt & pepper hair were a camera’s delight. But his booty was non-existent.

You shoulda seen him in polka dots.

by Anonymousreply 367August 22, 2023 4:15 AM

I'll never let you go......never......never......

by Anonymousreply 368August 22, 2023 1:55 PM

I like Robert Wagner in A Kiss Before Dying, but I like him best in Between Heaven and Hell.

Broderick Crawford is a queer commanding officer who keeps his favorites safe and sends others out to be killed in raids on the Japanese on the island they are stationed on.

With other cuties like Mark Damon & Skip Homeier.....and Terry Moore actually giving her best performance until Peyton Place a few years later.

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by Anonymousreply 369August 22, 2023 2:00 PM

I like Wagner in a lot of things. Especially A Kiss Before Dying. Hated Hart to Hart though. He made a good villain.

by Anonymousreply 370August 22, 2023 3:18 PM

Skip Homeier was the poor man's Keith Andes.

by Anonymousreply 371August 22, 2023 4:33 PM

Keith Andes was the poor man's Keith Andes.

by Anonymousreply 372August 22, 2023 4:58 PM

Wagner is also very hot as a young Greek fisherman with a perm in Beneath the 12-Mile Reef, also opposite Terry Moore. But not as hot as Gilbert Roland (who was never bland) as his Daddy.

by Anonymousreply 373August 22, 2023 5:00 PM

Speaking of Robert Wagner, I never realized how handsome (and humorous) he was till I recently came across this video. The thumbnail doesn't do him justice.

I was sort of familiar with him, but only as the husband of Natalie Wood, who I mainly knew from WEST SIDE STORY, REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE, and SPLENDOR IN THE GRASS. But I don't think I ever saw a photo/clip of him before.

Anyway, his face looks like a sculpture. And those lips!

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by Anonymousreply 374August 22, 2023 5:19 PM

I always preferred Homeier to Andes

by Anonymousreply 375August 22, 2023 5:56 PM

Bob Wagner is even cuter (the most devastating smile ever!) and funnier in a second WML appearance if anyone cares to find it and post it. I'm hopeless with all that stuff. And yes, it's a shame he never really got to show his comic side, even in comedies, as he does in these clips.

by Anonymousreply 376August 22, 2023 6:14 PM

Keith Andes never looks quite right in still photos but he was super hot in action. Besides some of his early films like The Asphalt Jungle opposite MM, he was an adorably hunky straight man opposite Glynis Johns in her short-lived mid-60s sit-com called....Glynis.

by Anonymousreply 377August 22, 2023 6:20 PM

R376 is it this one?

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by Anonymousreply 378August 22, 2023 6:27 PM

Yes, r378! Thanks so much for taking the time to find it and post it.

by Anonymousreply 379August 22, 2023 6:32 PM

I wonder how many casting couches Wagner was on. It's always been something of an open secret.

by Anonymousreply 380August 22, 2023 8:21 PM

He's Glen Ford, Junior....Super bland and boring

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by Anonymousreply 381August 22, 2023 10:40 PM

I also liked when Robert Osborne on TCM only once pronounced Skip's name as - "Skip Homey-away."

I would guess that Robert Wagner was a casting couch favorite....but he had the world's FLATTEST ass.

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by Anonymousreply 382August 22, 2023 11:16 PM

Robert Forster was hot as fuck in "Reflections in a Golden Eye"

by Anonymousreply 383August 22, 2023 11:40 PM

Edmund Purdom

by Anonymousreply 384August 22, 2023 11:53 PM

I always confuse Edmund Purdom with Stewart Granger, both equally dull.

by Anonymousreply 385August 23, 2023 2:36 AM

Edmund loved cock

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by Anonymousreply 386August 23, 2023 2:43 AM

So did Stewart.

by Anonymousreply 387August 23, 2023 4:29 AM

Was Edmund Purdom gay? I heard Tyrone Power found him fucking his wife, Linda Christian on the set of some movie they were making together. He and Linda were in a relationship for a while. Otoh, Linda clearly didn’t mind a guy who loved cock.

by Anonymousreply 388August 23, 2023 7:39 AM

Since when was Edmond Purdom A list?

by Anonymousreply 389August 23, 2023 12:33 PM

The Student Prince and The Egyptian were 2 A-list films which starred Purdom. He also appeared in a few others in small roles.

by Anonymousreply 390August 23, 2023 1:00 PM

They tried to make Purdom a thing but it didn’t happen. He was good looking enough. But there was no “there” there. Was beautiful in THE EGYPTIAN.

by Anonymousreply 391August 23, 2023 2:01 PM

He played First Officer Lightoller in TITANIC - wonder if Clifton Webb had some of that?

by Anonymousreply 392August 23, 2023 2:08 PM

Hopefully Purdom had standards r392. I think Webb was just too prissy.

by Anonymousreply 393August 23, 2023 2:12 PM

Webb was too busy with RJ Wagner.

by Anonymousreply 394August 23, 2023 5:24 PM

R394, I'm pretty sure RJ could aim higher than prissy (thanks, R393) Clifton, both in terms of looks and in terms of influence. And he certainly could command a higher price than that nobody, Purdom.

by Anonymousreply 395August 23, 2023 11:36 PM

R390 In both films Purdom was just a last-minute replacement for someone else (Brando, Lanza). A movie I like him in (or at least I like the movie) is the MGM musical, Athena, with Jane Powell, Debbie Reynolds and Vic Damone - and Linda Christian. And bodybuilders Steve Reeves, Richard DuBois, and others.

by Anonymousreply 396August 24, 2023 1:21 AM

I liked him but Robert Young could be on the dull side.

by Anonymousreply 397August 24, 2023 1:21 AM

Clifton Webb, after years starring in Broadway and West End musicals became a huge and unexpected movie star in the mid-1940s at the age of 46, and one of Fox's biggest money-makers throughout the 1950s. Believe it or not, he would have had his choice of anyone on that lot, including Wagner, who he cast in 2 of his films Stars & Stripes Forever and Titanic.

by Anonymousreply 398August 24, 2023 1:51 AM

R396 - Don't mention Athena to me.

by Anonymousreply 399August 24, 2023 2:46 AM

Did Robert Wagner live with Clifton Webb for a while in the '50s?

by Anonymousreply 400August 24, 2023 3:21 AM

Webb was born in 1889, so he was in his fifties when his film career took off…

by Anonymousreply 401August 24, 2023 3:59 PM

Even more remarkable, r401.

by Anonymousreply 402August 24, 2023 5:26 PM

Robert Preston

by Anonymousreply 403August 24, 2023 5:46 PM

A lot of those 40-50's era actors were so stiff. They thought that talking fast conveyed emotion but they were just robotic. I never got the appeal of Humphrey Bogart, he hardly ever changed expression. If he was in a tense scene, he just sped up his rate of speaking, which just looks bizarre as seen through modern eyes. I recently finally saw The Maltese Falcon and HB was a blank as a piece of wood.

Same for James Cagney, Edward G. Robinson, George Sanders, John Garfield, etc.

by Anonymousreply 404August 24, 2023 6:42 PM

A lot of those new Warner Bros. leading men like Bogart, Cagney and Robinson were underplaying it in reaction to the histrionics of those hams Paul Muni and George Arliss.

by Anonymousreply 405August 24, 2023 6:54 PM

Also a lot of the characters that the "tough guy" actors played were stoic types, so their performances fit the characters

by Anonymousreply 406August 24, 2023 8:23 PM

R404 I think you're the one who's blank as a piece of wood if you can't see the subtlety and emotion in Bogart's Maltese Falcon performance. He's playing a tough guy who buries his emotions, but they're there. He had an expressive face and eyes.

Cagney was not ever underplaying, whoever suggested that. He played big, but it worked.

by Anonymousreply 407August 24, 2023 8:38 PM

Edward G. Robinson was wonderful R404, maybe the problem is you.

by Anonymousreply 408August 24, 2023 8:40 PM

[quote]Robert Preston

Yes, so dull and boring in the movie of "The Music Man."

by Anonymousreply 409August 24, 2023 8:41 PM

Jimmy Stewart. One-note actor.

by Anonymousreply 410August 25, 2023 12:33 AM

Franchot Tone, Gene Raymond, Charles Farrell

by Anonymousreply 411August 25, 2023 3:27 AM

Charles Farrell was adorable! Have you seen his silent films with Janet Gaynor, r411?

by Anonymousreply 412August 25, 2023 3:37 AM

Charles Farrell had one of the worst speaking voices I've heard in my life. Great in the silents, not so much talking. I can't believe the myth perpetuated of a voice not fitting a leading man's face was regarding the truly maligned John Gilbert's perfectly fine voice instead of Farrell...

by Anonymousreply 413August 25, 2023 2:22 PM

Did Farrell really have any kind of an acting career in Talkies? He didn't last any longer than Gilbert until his minor comeback in the sitcom MY LITTLE MARGIE in the early 1950s (when his voice sounded just fine). Wasn't Farrell the mayor of Palm Springs for many years in between and maybe a tennis pro?

by Anonymousreply 414August 25, 2023 2:31 PM

Like Clara Bow (who interestingly was at Fox with him during the last years of her career) he had no trouble moving to talkies, but quit because he didn’t enjoy the roles he was offered or acting in general anymore. There wasn’t really a campaign against him or criticisms of his voice like there was for Gilbert, for example which is insane to me.

by Anonymousreply 415August 25, 2023 3:32 PM

Heh heh heh heh - well that's my little Mahgie.

And here's my girlfriend Roberter.

by Anonymousreply 416August 25, 2023 4:17 PM

Most of Charles Farrell's sound films have never been on TV or VHS/DVD. He was still paired with Janet Gaynor in most of these. I wish they would release them from the archives.

by Anonymousreply 417August 25, 2023 5:35 PM

Was Farrell gay?

by Anonymousreply 418August 25, 2023 5:54 PM

I think a big difference for undiscerning fans was John Gilbert was a brooding, dark he-man type, whereas Charlie Farrell mostly played male ingenues and lighter fare. So, the difference in expectations on their speaking voices was much greater on Gilbert's account.

And besides all that, wasn't there some hatred for Gilbert on LB Mayer's behalf that allowed Gilbert's career to slink away without MGM's support? Not sure what the cause of the animosity was but I think it was a thing.

by Anonymousreply 419August 25, 2023 6:50 PM

Farrell was shitcanned when Zanuck took over at Fox. Zanuck didn’t care for either Gaynor or Farrell. She landed on her feet, he didn’t and went off to concentrate on playing tennis with Ralph Bellamy and inventing the Bloody Mary.

by Anonymousreply 420August 25, 2023 9:21 PM

From what I’ve read, not gay. But rumors carried on because of his voice, his marriage to an older woman, and his association with Gaynor.

by Anonymousreply 421August 25, 2023 9:25 PM

The completely forgotten Mark Stevens.

by Anonymousreply 422August 25, 2023 11:30 PM

Bradford Dillman. Actors like him play better on television than on film.

by Anonymousreply 423August 26, 2023 12:36 AM

Dillman was more of a character actor than leading man. I liked him in Compulsion

by Anonymousreply 424August 26, 2023 12:39 AM

John Gilbert’s decline was for a couple of reasons - his voice, if you actually listen to it, was fine. Firstly he cost MGM money out the ASS. He had one of the highest paid contracts on the lot and refused to exit it when his films did not become hits in the early talkie time period - this is more important later on rather than his initial decline. Anyway, sound technology was expensive and most studios were cleaning house because there was now a huge amount of stage trained actors or second string players with passable voices willing to work for pennies compared to the big name stars on their roster who would have had to adjust to the talkie style. The second reason is yes; LB Mayer despised him more than almost anyone else. He also seriously hated Charlie Chaplin and Samuel Goldwyn. Nobody knows why - it surely isn’t the (literal) wives tale about him punching Mayer in the men’s bathroom to defend the honor of his great love Greta Garbo (at absolute most a fling that got blown up by the MGM publicity department - good for sales and to hide their new female star’s lesbianism) at King Vidor and Eleanor Boardman’s house. The singular person who claims to have witnessed this and spun the story? Boardman…what was she doing so that she was she privy to a private fight in the men’s room, there’s some good jokes there…

So MGM wanted to tank him, or at least try to get him to walk out on his overly expensive contract. They claim it’s now too expensive to pair him up with the leading ladies on the lot he’s worked with before (Garbo, Crawford, Shearer) and give him some of the worst scripts known to man for his foray into talkies - Downstairs (which he wrote, partially) is pretty decent but the rest are horrific. Compare his treatment to his female equivalent in terms of stardom, Garbo (who frankly had a far worse voice/accent for talkies than Gilbert) being eased into talkies with the best possible scripts (Eugene O’Neill!) and tons of good publicity and hype (Garbo talks!) from MGM. He kept pushing on this MGM contract to his ruin.

There is an interesting claim regarding the talkie that tanked Gilbert - His Glorious Night, which has been out of print since…it was released, probably. Some think it’s far fetched but I’m not so sure. Louise Brooks, among others, have attested to someone at MGM tampering with the audio levels to make Gilbert sound much worse than his. Director Lionel Barrymore was strung out on morphine and easily manipulated into giving his film up for this reason, allegedly.

Also, he was not a he-man, that type started with the likes of Clark Gable. Maybe a proto-Errol Flynn at times, but that was more Douglas Fairbanks. He was “The Great Lover” - brooding yes, but romantic and emotional. To be fair, this type did go out of fashion in the pre-code talkie era, the depression audiences preferring much less sentimental types. Again, it’s interesting to look back and see contemporary reviews of Gilbert as a talkie actor and how they evolved. The initial press around his talkie forays was not primarily negative. Then a few months later, there’s suddenly a slew of reviews about how Gilbert is laughable and outdated, and this continues for a couple of years. I do think he was the victim of some kind of a smear campaign. The studios owned the trade papers at the time!

TLDR; he was unlucky, got screwed over by studio politics and studio heads hating him in relation to money, with a dash of changing audience tastes. His alcoholism (which was SEVERE, but every other major star at the time was some form of substance abuser…) and stubbornness put the nail in his coffin so to speak.

by Anonymousreply 425August 26, 2023 12:45 AM

If you can’t tell, I recently read his wonderful bio by Eve Golden. Would very much recommend it to anyone interested about the silent era/1930s Hollywood - my favorite time period in Old Hollywood history. Golden is funny and clear headed about the myth making surrounding Gilbert. At the time of his death, he had been slated to star opposite Marlene Dietrich (who had a much more serious relationship with him than Garbo ever did. - allegedly was with him right before he died...perhaps in bed) in Desire, which could have really turned his career around. He was very good at playing unsavory types with a comedic edge and might have flourished. He was still trim and handsome for a drunk pushing 40.

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by Anonymousreply 426August 26, 2023 12:48 AM

He was no Francis X. Bushman!

by Anonymousreply 427August 26, 2023 1:17 AM

R425, thank you for your informative and entertaining posts! What's the name of the Gilbert bio?

As you said, I can easily imagine the studios using the sound revolution to revitalize their stable of contract players and times were changing with Depression tastes. Were there really many established stars besides Garbo, Crawford and Shearer who went on to long starring roles in the 30s? And Shearer and Crawford were really willing and able to completely revamp their images for Talkies.

by Anonymousreply 428August 26, 2023 1:29 AM

I thought Mayer and Gilbert had a fist fight over Gilbert’s mother being a prostitute, not over Garbo. Can’t remember what doco that was in.

by Anonymousreply 429August 26, 2023 2:35 AM

[quote] Jimmy Stewart was never sexy, ever.

He was in the films he made with Margaret Sullavan.

She brought something out of him no one else did, which is why they kept pairing him with her in the 30s and 40s.

by Anonymousreply 430August 26, 2023 2:39 AM

R428 John Gilbert: Last of the Silent Film Stars.

There were many besides the women you named who who crossed over to talkies - Ronald Colman, Gary Cooper and William Powell too. Clara Bow - again, still a box office earner by the time of her retirement. Marion Davies actually made the transition too but decided to focus on her life as Lady of Hearst Castle instead. Like I mentioned in passing, a lot of the ones who crossed over went from support players to major stars in the next decade - Myrna Loy, Carole Lombard, Jean Arthur and Loretta Young all started in silents. Bela Lugosi and Boris Karloff became stars in the monster movie genre because of sound. Chaplin was a special case, obviously. ZaSu Pitts completely changed specialities (silent dramatic actress to sound comedienne - she's very underrated today). Mary Astor and Gilbert Roland continued their careers uninterrupted. In Melvyn Douglas' autobiography it talks at length about how Hollywood became flooded with stage actors at the beginning of the talkies because of their training combined with relative cheapness for hire.

R429 I've read that variation too. It allegedly goes Mayer was a mama's boy and Gilbert openly loathed his neglectful and abusive mother who was an actual PROSTITUTION WHORE, yes. Nobody really knows - Gilbert knew of Mayer's hatred and would purposefully antagonize him as much as possible as retaliation, which did not help his case at all.

by Anonymousreply 431August 26, 2023 2:53 AM

[quote]Myrna Loy, Carole Lombard, Jean Arthur and Loretta Young all started in silents

As did Joan Crawford.

by Anonymousreply 432August 26, 2023 7:55 AM

I may be wrong but were Loy, Lombard, Arthur and Young really all stars in Silents or merely starlets in supporting roles? I don't think any of those young ladies had really established personas that needed to be reckoned with when sound came in.

Crawford, Shearer and, of course, Garbo were indeed stars of the Silent Screen. Marie Dressler also made the transition very effortlessly.

by Anonymousreply 433August 26, 2023 1:00 PM

I’m saying they weren’t stars but supporting or featured players who became stars. Crawford has been mentioned many times and she was a star in silents.

by Anonymousreply 434August 26, 2023 2:02 PM

The fact that all these women were at MGM does make me think there was at least a studio driven antipathy towards John Gilbert, - they were given tons of help from their studio (I don’t know whether to count Norma because she was, y’know, married to the boss - who interestingly, was one of Gilbert’s only executive champions/friends and even he didn’t really do that much to help him out) and Gilbert was not despite being an equivalent or a greater star than any of them before talkies.

by Anonymousreply 435August 26, 2023 2:06 PM

Did John Gilbert really get drunk at a party and lose his toupee?

by Anonymousreply 436August 26, 2023 2:14 PM

Colleen Moore was a silent star who successfully transitioned to talkies - (she even made a now-lost musical, "Footlights and Fools" ) but she took a hiatus from acting between 1929 and 1933, After she returned, her four sound pictures released in 1933 and 1934 were not financial successes. She then retired permanently from screen acting.

After her film career, Moore maintained her wealth through astute investments, becoming a partner of Merrill Lynch. She later wrote a "how-to" book about investing in the stock market.

by Anonymousreply 437August 26, 2023 5:11 PM

Gilbert went over Mayer’s head and negotiated his expensive new contract with Nicholas Schenck in New York, the head of Loew’s Inc. Or so I’ve read.

Clearly if MGM (including his friend, Thalberg) really wanted to revive Gilbert’s sound career they could have put him in one of their all star films of the early 30s. Just associating with other big stars of the studio would have helped.

I’ve seen Gilbert’s last film (The Captain Hates The Sea). It was made away from MGM and I really think his voice sounded different - better - lending credence to the idea that at MGM the treble was turned up in the sound recording when he spoke. However he was visibly drunk in the film - as he was in one of the MGM films I saw. In the latter he was obviously unable to keep from weaving from side to side in one scene. I can’t believe MGM released it without a retake unless they wanted to sabotage him.

In a good biography of Cecil B. DeMille, I read he tried to hire Gilbert to play Julius Caesar in Cleopatra (at Paramount). MGM refused to loan him out (Warren William - from Warner Bros - played it).

by Anonymousreply 438August 26, 2023 6:03 PM

Has anyone seen QUEEN CHRISTINA (1933) with Garbo and John Gilbert? Always wanted to but that film doesn't ever seem to be on TV. Supposedly, Garbo insisted on him as her leading man. How does he fare there?

by Anonymousreply 439August 26, 2023 6:11 PM

You can watch it in the link, R439.

R433, Arthur and Loy starred in some minor silent films as ingenues, but Lombard and Young were hardly there at all before talkies.

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by Anonymousreply 440August 26, 2023 6:52 PM

R439 He’s fine in it.

by Anonymousreply 441August 26, 2023 6:52 PM

Loretta Young played the lead in a pretty well known Lon Chaney silent, Laugh, Clown, Laugh.

by Anonymousreply 442August 26, 2023 6:54 PM

I completely forgot about that, R442. Thanks for the correction.

by Anonymousreply 443August 26, 2023 7:10 PM

R436 in that maligned bio of Barbara Stanwyck by Axel Madsen, allegedly Robert Taylor picked up the toupee and tried to get it back to Gilbert. YMMV because Madsen, RIP wasn’t well liked or respected as a biographer.

by Anonymousreply 444August 26, 2023 7:40 PM

I agree with

Glenn Ford

Robert Cummings

Van Johnson

by Anonymousreply 445August 26, 2023 8:00 PM

I don’t think Gilbert wore a toupee.

by Anonymousreply 446August 26, 2023 8:11 PM

John Gilbert in his pool.

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by Anonymousreply 447August 26, 2023 8:13 PM

John Gilbert has taken over this thread. Have you heard his daughter speak in those MGM documentaries? She is so over the top.

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by Anonymousreply 448August 26, 2023 8:19 PM

Sorry to derail. She's just my favorite actress so when her name comes up I have to troll(next is Lee Remick. I trolled that thread hard too.) Jean Arthur was the highest paid woman in the United States during the 1940s.

by Anonymousreply 449August 26, 2023 8:57 PM

Collen Moore was batshit crazy.....and even once testified in court that she was NOT herself.....

by Anonymousreply 450August 26, 2023 10:26 PM

Colleen Moore had the greatest dollhouse this side of Queen Mary

by Anonymousreply 451August 26, 2023 10:51 PM

As soon as sound came in Louise Brooks became as wooden and dull as Greta Garbo. And without the Buster Brown hairdo, sexless. Fuck, look at her. Hard severe, humorless, and totally fuckable

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by Anonymousreply 452August 26, 2023 11:11 PM

I mean UNFUCKABLE!!

by Anonymousreply 453August 26, 2023 11:13 PM

451. And generations of little gay boys made pilgrimages to see them at the Field Museum in Chicago!

by Anonymousreply 454August 26, 2023 11:29 PM

Aside. There is something surreal about Leave Her To Heaven. Is the entire thing matte paintings? With today's eyes, it resembles realistic animation. 100% artificial and beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 455August 26, 2023 11:48 PM

Louise Brooks was great - far from wooden and dull, one of the few natural actresses around at the time. She ruined her own career by her admission - refusing to redub her dialogue in The Canary Murder Case and then passing on the Jean Harlow role in The Public Enemy.

by Anonymousreply 456August 26, 2023 11:49 PM

Either way, playing Lulu in Pandora’s Box made her rightfully immortal. I don’t think any actresses before or since who pulled off something like that role. You can see shades of it in The Blue Angel maybe, with Dietrich, but there’s still something a bit contrived there that wasn’t present in PB.

Her voice, on that note, was rather lovely. Recalls Myrna Loy.

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by Anonymousreply 457August 26, 2023 11:53 PM

Dietrich was vulgar in The Blue Angel, fitting the character. Nothing like Pandora's Box.

by Anonymousreply 458August 27, 2023 2:18 AM

Those early years of the Talkies from 1927-31 are so easily dismissed. So transitional and so much about finding their way with sound. And a lot of the imported stage stars who were popular those few years, like Ruth Chatterton and Ina Claire went right back to the stage once things got under control.

by Anonymousreply 459August 27, 2023 3:34 AM

What about James Craig?

by Anonymousreply 460August 27, 2023 9:49 AM

Thanks for initiating the thread, OP. I'm learning a lot about actors and film history I never knew before. The clips help too. Very informative. Oh, my choice....Jerry Lewis's My Fair Lady.. Who the fuck is James Craig?

by Anonymousreply 461August 27, 2023 9:50 AM

James Craig…

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by Anonymousreply 462August 27, 2023 9:54 AM

James Craig was Myra Breckenridge's favorite actor.

by Anonymousreply 463August 28, 2023 1:19 PM

Robert Montgomery was extremely bitchy and catty. Joan Crawford and Bette Davis hated him. On the set of “June Bride”, a light comedy, he criticized Bette’s acting. He told her she was playing Queen Elizabeth in the royal court with her overblown dramatics.

Bette Davis said Robert Montgomery was a “super conservative son of a bitch, always with his nose in the air.”

by Anonymousreply 464August 28, 2023 1:40 PM

MGM liked Craig because he was similar to Gable in looks and they signed him to a contract, but he didn’t catch fire. He was also allegedly a wife beater.

by Anonymousreply 465August 28, 2023 1:47 PM

James Craig at the gym

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by Anonymousreply 466August 28, 2023 1:50 PM

Elizabeth Montgomery and her father Robert were close, but they became estranged over politics. She was very liberal and a Democrat; he was the opposite. I suspect, though, more than politics were involved.

by Anonymousreply 467August 28, 2023 1:50 PM

Richard Todd of Hitchcock's Stage Fright

John Lund of A Foreign Affair and High Society

Richard Travis of The Man Who Came to Dinner

John Loder of Old Acquaintance

Honestly, Dietrich, Davis and Hepburn's films were regularly filled some very dull leading men.

by Anonymousreply 468August 28, 2023 1:52 PM

Someone here said that Richard Travis was gay

John Lund was always boring to me

by Anonymousreply 469August 28, 2023 5:48 PM

J’adore Richard Todd. It’s too bad he didn’t get more roles The Hasty Heart. He was delicious.

by Anonymousreply 470August 29, 2023 6:55 AM
Name 3 of the dullest, most boring, no there, there A list Hollywood male actors of the 40s, 50's and 60's (2024)

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